They say the soft should always alternate with the hard...

[john2054]

Well first of all I would like to capture for you people the main guiding principles used to win in street fights as understood by an ex con who also knew a thing or two about fighting and so wrote an ebook on the subject...

To win a streetfight you should...
1 Attack first
2 Get the first strike to the face or neck in
3 Be the dirtiest
4 Be the most aggressive and intensive
5 Be the one more concerned with attacking and offence
6 Use the most force intensity and aggression
7 use a weapon
8 Stay ontop on the ground
9 connects with the most strikes and cause the most damage
and 10 be better physically conditioned and prepared.

The last (proper) fight I got in, was with a woman at the hospital back in 2009. She came at me punching and kicking, so i grabbed her took her down, hit her once in the face with my weak right arm, and twisted her ear. Conforming to at least some of the principles displayed above.

But getting back to the title of the thread, and just to prove that im not an entirely bad person I have also included below a video of me playing with my stepdaughter over in Africa the year before.

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Take it easy. John.

[Medway Tai Chi Society]

I'm not entirely sure what the point of this thread is, but:

To win a streetfight you should...
1 Attack first
2 Get the first strike to the face or neck in
3 Be the dirtiest
4 Be the most aggressive and intensive
5 Be the one more concerned with attacking and offence
6 Use the most force intensity and aggression
7 use a weapon
8 Stay ontop on the ground
9 connects with the most strikes and cause the most damage
and 10 be better physically conditioned and prepared.

Are you talking about defending yourself from an attack, or actively engaging in some sort of genital-measuring contest with another person?

I would say, judging by your list, that you are thinking of the latter.

To succesfully protect yourself from attack, I would suggest something like this:

• Avoid areas where you are likely to be in danger
• Maintain active spacial awareness when out and about
• Be able to apply de-escalation techniques
• Have an understanding of the law in relation to self-defence/reasonable force
• Attend a 'personal protection' course, which covers reading bodylanguage along with pretty much all of the above

[john2054]

Hi Medway, the paraphrased excepts which I quoted from was from an ebook article which I paid good money for a couple of years ago and still have on my hardrive, referring to what to do if you want to win fights. This was written by a man who has been to prison and seen more then his fair share of violent encounters. It has nothing to do with sex and please don't try to downgrade my thread by drawing that connotation.

[Medway Tai Chi Society]

Hi Medway, the paraphrased excepts which I quoted from was from an ebook article which I paid good money for a couple of years ago and still have on my hardrive, referring to what to do if you want to win fights. This was written by a man who has been to prison and seen more then his fair share of violent encounters. It has nothing to do with sex and please don't try to downgrade my thread by drawing that connotation.

I'm not trying to make your post about sex. I'm saying that the attributes you list are more geared towards fighting for the ego (IE, a cock-measuring contest) rather than practical guidelines for every day self defence.

Just because a guy has been to prison, it doesn't make him an expert on violence. And to be honest, if you want to stay out of prison yourself, you'd think twice about acting on his advice.

[Chaleira]

Awwwe.... cute baby

By the way, I think I've read that list of things somewhere before... but... what ever happened to running.... ummm, I mean avoiding the conflict all together??? (I do understand that certain "special" cases can't be avoided.)

I like Medway's take on the defensive notes... I do understand the notes you posted from the book though, however, they stem more from the aggressor's view point and not the defender.

Are you suggesting that the defender must become the aggressor to successfully win/survive a street fight?
In this case I think a person should train to be the aggressor and not train to be the one using self defense... or at least train to be able to switch their frame of mind off and on from defender to aggressor.

By the way, I think using good self defense methods could help one to survive street fights. One does not necessarily need resort to becoming the aggressor in my opinion.... but could being the aggressor help you to win a street fight. Sure I guess it can... but what if the other person proves to be the more aggressive, then what would one resort to??? (the answer I think is... good self defense methods) Just my take on it~

[Martin Austwick]

I'm not entirely sure what the point of this thread is, but:



Are you talking about defending yourself from an attack, or actively engaging in some sort of genital-measuring contest with another person?

I would say, judging by your list, that you are thinking of the latter.

To succesfully protect yourself from attack, I would suggest something like this:

• Avoid areas where you are likely to be in danger
• Maintain active spacial awareness when out and about
• Be able to apply de-escalation techniques
• Have an understanding of the law in relation to self-defence/reasonable force
• Attend a 'personal protection' course, which covers reading bodylanguage along with pretty much all of the above

I'd agree with all of this, but self protection should always be taught on a presumption of failure. Assuming your knowledge of where is safe has failed, your awareness has failed, your de-escalation techniques have failed, your option to run away has failed. Then violence may be your only remaining option.

That being said I still wouldn't agree with that list in full. It looks much more like "How to win fights in prison" than "How to win fights on the street" to me.

[Medway Tai Chi Society]

That being said I still wouldn't agree with that list in full. It looks much more like "How to win fights in prison" than "How to win fights on the street" to me.

Agreed there.

In this case I think a person should train to be the aggressor and not train to be the one using self defense... or at least train to be able to switch their frame of mind off and on from defender to aggressor.

I think the important thing is to be able to switch on a mindset which is 'dominant' rather than 'aggressive'. Aggression will just provoke more aggression, yet a dominant mindset is reflected in the body, which can subconciously affect the attacker. So when the faecal matter hits the rotary device, you opponent is already in a position of subconcious submission.

As for the 'dirty' bit of actual physical conflict - I think it's better to train to stop fights, as opposed to training to fight. I don't want to get into a situation of drawn out blow-trading.
From the Taiji perspective, I want to absorb my opponent into my 'cloud', where I'm going to take him apart very quickly. So, I train to draw in the opponent's attack, move out of his line-of-intent, into one of the outer gates, or to the rear, where striking to vulnerable points is easiest, before throwing or tripping him (painfully) to the ground, at which point I will hopefully be able to make an escape.
The aim is to actually 'hit' the opponent no more than half a dozen times, and strikes are used to set up the 'big drop', which may then be followed by a 'finishing' strike.

[Martin Austwick]

I think the important thing is to be able to switch on a mindset which is 'dominant' rather than 'aggressive'. Aggression will just provoke more aggression, yet a dominant mindset is reflected in the body, which can subconciously affect the attacker. So when the faecal matter hits the rotary device, you opponent is already in a position of subconcious submission.

Absolutely. I spend a lot of time talking about reversing the predator - prey relationship. Two predators will simply fight. If you can make them take on the role of prey they are likely to fold or flee.

As for the 'dirty' bit of actual physical conflict - I think it's better to train to stop fights, as opposed to training to fight. I don't want to get into a situation of drawn out blow-trading.
From the Taiji perspective, I want to absorb my opponent into my 'cloud', where I'm going to take him apart very quickly. So, I train to draw in the opponent's attack, move out of his line-of-intent, into one of the outer gates, or to the rear, where striking to vulnerable points is easiest, before throwing or tripping him (painfully) to the ground, at which point I will hopefully be able to make an escape.
The aim is to actually 'hit' the opponent no more than half a dozen times, and strikes are used to set up the 'big drop', which may then be followed by a 'finishing' strike.

We tend to work on an aggressive simple repeating combination of strikes as quickly and as hard as possible. Ideally with shouting, screaming, spitting and anything else that can be thrown in for good measure.

[Chaleira]

I think the important thing is to be able to switch on a mindset which is 'dominant' rather than 'aggressive'. Aggression will just provoke more aggression, yet a dominant mindset is reflected in the body, which can subconciously affect the attacker. So when the faecal matter hits the rotary device, you opponent is already in a position of subconcious submission.

Agreed, you put it much better. Same point though on one has to be able to switch the mind set. I agree with 'dominant', thanks for that input.

As for the 'dirty' bit of actual physical conflict - I think it's better to train to stop fights, as opposed to training to fight. I don't want to get into a situation of drawn out blow-trading.

Agreed... My thoughts are that avoidance is always preferred. If one can escape... do so. If there is no escape and you must switch to the dominant position... give the opponent a means of escape. He will chose to take it if he feels he's messed with the wrong person... however if he doesn't. You should always be seeking out a way to end the conflict at any means necessary or a route of escape

From the Taiji perspective, I want to absorb my opponent into my 'cloud', where I'm going to take him apart very quickly. So, I train to draw in the opponent's attack, move out of his line-of-intent, into one of the outer gates, or to the rear, where striking to vulnerable points is easiest, before throwing or tripping him (painfully) to the ground, at which point I will hopefully be able to make an escape.

Bingo! Nicely done I like!

[john2054]

Hi lads. Thanks for communicating. See I knew there were some black dragons out there hidden beneath the venir of polite appearances!